【正文】 the government would ban VIE, do not understand why people would be so worried . However, in some sensitive areas or industries, such as the financial sector, the government would be more careful this pattern , which I fully understand and agree. No matter in which country, if foreigncontrolled panies want to get a banking license , will be opposed , in China also do so. About the VIE model, I have not heard what the Government said that it should be abolished , so why worry about it ? A few days ago I read an article about Shao Kong Chuen the article, they change is great, I really began to understand VIE is legitimate and transparent. This is the power of the Internet . After 10 years , if in certain sensitive sectors , VIE makes you feel unfortable, please join us to discuss . Some people say that you have a problem Alipay , I frankly speaking, because of this , we put on the table in terms of VIE . When the People39。s Bank asked whether foreign investors Paypal , I must tell the truth . Do you agree with this , right ? Because we are developing more and more, so it is necessary to do the job very much. Just like today , if I say I want to buy Paypal, do you think the . government will not respond to it ? They will have move ! Even the acquisition of Yahoo , they will ! Therefore, we must be fair to say that 39。s the problem. This is not a big problem . This is a gesture. Put it on the table to discuss it , I do not think the government would ban it.問：如果讓你回頭重來，你還會這么做么？Q: If you could go back again , will you do it ?答：我們經(jīng)歷了很困難的一段時間。今天，當(dāng)所有的事情都很順利，我反而覺得不太對勁。在美國，你們稱之為偏執(zhí)狂，我的確是的。在中國雅虎上，我們的確犯了很多的錯誤。但如果回到過去，我們還會買下中國雅虎么？是的，我們還會買！但我們還會以這種方式么？不，我們不會了。我們會用更聰明的方法。我沒有任何的并購經(jīng)驗，尤其是并購互聯(lián)網(wǎng)公司。所以如果你問我，對雅虎是否感興趣，是的，我當(dāng)然感興趣。我們可能是極少數(shù)幾家真正懂得雅虎美國的公司之一。 人們說，中國雅虎那么糟糕，你怎么還好意思說你很懂美國雅虎？我要說我們四年前解決了很多的問題，如果不那么做，我們今天可能就死了。所以我們愿意跟大家分享，我們是如何節(jié)約了開支，如何解雇一些人，那時候我們必須早一點解雇一部分人，留下一部分人。我覺得現(xiàn)在的互聯(lián)網(wǎng)公司都應(yīng)該好好想想，能從雅虎的事情中學(xué)到什么。如果我們不從別人的錯誤中學(xué)習(xí)，我們遲早有一天也會受到同樣的挑戰(zhàn)。 A: We went through a very difficult period of time. Today, when everything is going well , I would think not quite right . In the United States , you call it paranoia , I did so. Yahoo in China , we did make a lot of mistakes. However, if the return to the past , we will buy Yahoo China What ? Yes, we will buy ! But what we will in this way ? No, we will not. We will use a more clever way . I do not have any experience in mergers and acquisitions , mergers and acquisitions , especially Internet panies . So if you ask me, if interested in Yahoo , yes, I certainly interesting. We may be very few truly understand Yahoo USA panies. People say that China Yahoo so bad , how can you have the nerve to say that you really understand the . Yahoo ? Four years ago, I would say we have to solve a lot of problems , if you do not do that today, we may be dead. So we are willing to share with you how we saved money , how to dismiss some people, then we must be a little earlier dismissal of some of the people , leaving some people . I think that the Internet panies should think about it, learn something from what Yahoo . If we do not learn from the mistakes of others , sooner or later we will be subject to the same challenges.問：你是如何管理淘寶的？關(guān)于和京東的競爭，你會在物流方面做更多的事么？或者改變你的模式？在支付寶的事上，你希望跟孫正義和楊致遠(yuǎn)有怎樣的交流？Q: How did you manage Taobao ? And Jingdong on petition , you will do more in the logistics do you want ? Or change your patterns ? Alipay things , you want to have what with Jerry Yang and Masayoshi Son exchanges ?答：淘寶成長得太快了，而且會越來越快。這對我們來說是個挑戰(zhàn)，因為我們從沒運營過這么大的公司。我不喜歡“帝國”這個說法，我相信“生態(tài)系統(tǒng)”。我是大自然保護(hù)協(xié)會的董事。我相信每個人都要跟其他人發(fā)生聯(lián)系，彼此互相幫助。淘寶發(fā)展的太大太快，為此我很擔(dān)心。我們可以給這個行業(yè)更多的機會， 所以在今年6月份，我們把淘寶拆分成4個部分。變成更小一些的公司，可以給其他競爭者以機會。如果十年后，我們還是非常大，我還會再拆成3個部分。我要確保，我們把大公司運作得像小公司一樣。給其他的人，尤其是年輕人機會去經(jīng)營他們的生意，因為這是他們的年代。淘寶就像騰訊、谷歌和facebook，它不是一間中國的公司，不僅僅屬于中國或者美國，它屬于21世紀(jì)的這個時代。你需要用不同的方式去運用這個公司。坦白的說，最好的方法是什么，我也不知道。我們做好了承擔(dān)錯誤的準(zhǔn)備，我們相信我們是在一個生態(tài)系統(tǒng)中，不是在一個帝國中。A: Taobao grow too fast , and it will be faster . This is a challenge for us because we 39。ve never had such a big pany operations . I do not like empire this argument, I believe that the ecosystem . I was a director of The Nature Conservancy . I believe that everyone should have contact with other people to help each other . Taobao development too fast , and I am worried . We can give more opportunities in this industry , so in June of this year , we put Taobao split into four parts. Bee more smaller panies that can give other petitors a chance. If ten years later, we are still very large, I will then split into three parts. I want to ensure that we operate like the big panies , like small panies . To other people , especially young people the opportunity to run their business because it is their 39。s. Like Taobao Tencent, Google and facebook, it39。s not a Chinese pany, not only belongs to China or the United States , it belongs to the 21st century this era. You need to use different ways to use this pany . Frankly , the best way is, I do not know. We assume the wrong done to prepare , we believe that we are in an ecosystem , not in an empire .第二個問題，關(guān)于跟京東的競爭。我不認(rèn)為淘寶的模式有什么問題。我們在不斷成長，而且要掙錢非常容易。我不認(rèn)為我們需要改變模式。我不看好這種低價買來東西然后在網(wǎng)上高價賣出去的模式，這是個很愚蠢的模式。去年中國的快遞包裹數(shù)是21億個。淘寶占到了11億個，今年可能會達(dá)到30億個。我們不想搞自己的物流體系。中國大概需要1000萬個快遞員人員。我們怎么可能運營一個有1000萬員工的公司？目前我們有23000員工，這已經(jīng)讓我很頭疼 了。我們要做的，是幫助和支持這些物流公司提供更好的物流服務(wù)，讓他們給自己的員工提供更好的福利。我們從未想過建立自己的物流公司，以前沒有，以后也不會。The second question , regarding with Jingdong petition. I do not think the pattern Taobao have any questions . We continue to grow, but also to earn money very easily. I do not think we need to change the mode. I am not optimistic about this stuff and then buy low sell high in the online mode , this is a very stupid mode. Last year, China 39。s express parcel number is 2100000000 . Taobao accounted for billion , this year may reach 3 billion . We do not want to engage in their own logistics system. China needs about 10 million courier staff . How can we have 10 million employees operate a pany ? We currently have 23,000 employees, which has made me quite a headache. We have to do is to hel